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commie bob

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its ok, they are now a true glass hammer.

combat and dark lances again seem to be the way for them to win. although there are a few fruity things in there

all DE have
- fleet
- night vision
- power by pain > every time a dark eldar unit destroys a non vehicle enemy unit they gain a pain counter, giving bonuses
1 counter = feel no pain
2 = furious charge
3 = fearless

wyches are troops, 10pts each
raiders are 60pts base and come with a dark lance
there is a new transport called a venom but its SHIT.

jetbikes are fast attack but for 22pts you can torbo boost 36, and slash attack 1 unit across the path you choose doing d3 st4 hits per bike, 1 can have an upgrade to do d6 st6 hits.

all splinter weapons have stx, all of them poison on a 4+
as heard there are pistols with lance rule, the blaster with st8 ap2, then there are dark lances with 36 range instead of 48

halequins are elites, same as the eldar ones, they are not allowed to buy transports like eldar ones also.

mandrakes are cool, 15 each they get 5up inv sv, infiltrate, move through cover, stealth, combine that with fleet and your sorted.

they are some new heavy choices, there are 2 jet fighters, both are 145pts, the fighter has 2 dark lances, 2 splinter cannons, can swap for anti infantry duty with 2 pie plates, 1 st6 ap5, 1 poison 2+ ap5? armour is weak at 11 11 10 but can boost 36 again and they can move and fire everything.

incubi are their own elite unit, 22pts each with 3+ armour and 2 st4 power weapon attacks each.

archons seem to come in at around the 120pt mark for a decent one, there is a new field, clone field, or the shadow field. didn't get to remember those. new bodyguard group that seem ok on the surface but they still have 4up and 5up armour.

new type of talos that gets up close [tries to] and start pooing out crap to kill troops but its not worth it since its only got 3 wounds at T7 with 3up sv, will soon die.

this seems to be the downside of cool models, hellions are ok in combat but have T3 5up sv = rubbish
honestly it will have to be down to lances, wyches along with archon, halequins in nicked transports from warriors, and mandrakes for quick assault and maybe bikes.

Russ

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Not really been into 40k for a long while but the pics of the new models are tempting me. Especially the incubi, they look ace.

commie bob

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well i built some of the new warriors today and the kit for them was great.

Iron_Mantis

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Incubi are brutal for 22 points each.

commie bob

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they aren't bad gaz, them, clowns and mandrakes make a good elite section, just got to pick which ones.

The Fallen Angel

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Lol so much ridiculous stuff. Read the razorwing description and implosion missiles....wowzies. My hive guard will be busy.

Jetbikes sound hilarious.

Wonder if vect will become as popular as Big G....75% chance to go first and deliver what looks like one hell of a devestating first shooting.

Oh and scourges...hmmmm.

JamesR

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For me the book looks ok but has alot of weaknesses as well. Going 2nd vs a shooty SW or guard will still probably end up in a tabling .

Every unit has a significant problem/weakness which is nice. For example incubi don't have assault grenades but you can buy a phantom grenade launcher on your Archon for them, however then you probably won't take the very nasty retinue/unit he can take.

Scourges put out a silly amount of firepower but are only t3 with a 5+ save, mandrakes only have 2 attacks base and no shooting until they gain a pain point.

The fliers also are a bit meh, 145 basic then like 15-20? per extra bomb? For a rhino chasis. For me ravagers all the way, cheap nasty firepower.

Lack of psychic defence and everything going up in cost should make the book fairly balanced.

IMO you will see a lot of troops in raiders throwing silly amounts of poisoned shots around with bikes/ravagers + grotesques for combat let by haemonculi and the archon retinue.

Where the DE players will win the game is the upgrades on the raiders...they are simply stunning and sitting in reserve with a raider full of assault troops allows a possible, 12+12+2+1+6+6 inch charge (move + extra wargear move+disembark +fleet +charge)=39 inches. However I have no idea how they will survive the barrage of firepower back, even with nightshields + cover saves they die very fast these days, now they are 5-20 points more expensive because of upgrades.
For me right now, I'll place it alongside the nid codex-decent but nothing special.

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USER wrote:
For me right now, I'll place it alongside the nid codex-decent but nothing special.

says the guy who came up with one of the 2 most punnishing nid lists out there

Im sure theres a good list in there - heck there was 2 in the nids and one in the chaos and their both dog balls codex's .

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jamesr, i do not agree with the possible range of the charge, does the rule book not state under fast vehicles that if one moves over 12, it will count as moving flat out, models inside such vehicle cannot disembark from the vehicle if it does this.
the real charge range would be 12+2+fleet+6, still quite impressive by most standards. I have had the luck to catch a quick look at this new codex, it seems pretty fair in all respects, not overpowered like some we have seen in the past year or so.Lists can be made from this book that are quite powerful but it seems that a few bad dice rolls will hurt you, as it should be for all.

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The Jetbikes seem extreme.

All that movement, Slashing attacks, Melta-Lances and their special ability....

Bikes can use Hit and Run but if they do this they have the chance to pull an IC attatched to the unit they just fought out with them, leaving the IC and the Bikes in a seperate combat.

Hello Seer Council.

carnage.123

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Does anyone else think that the "baron jetboard" guy is too much of a steal for 105 points?

wanderingrogue

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barons awsome .. the jetbike are a bit "meh" especially in the age of the hydra. Vect its truly amazing as well.

At the moment im thinking of 2 lists , my super secret one for etc and a more "tourney" friendly one for dealing with all comers:

Haemonculus - 50
Haemonculus - 50
Haemonculus - 50
Haemonculus - 50

15 Wyches - haywire grenades, hekatrix with agoniser and phantasm (defensive grenades for the unit) - 220
15 Wyches - haywire grenades, hekatrix with agoniser and phantasm - 220
15 Wyches - haywire grenades, hekatrix with agoniser and phantasm - 220
15 Wyches - haywire grenades, hekatrix with agoniser and phantasm - 220
5 wracks - 50

5 scourges with 2 heat lance - 134
5 scourges with 2 heat lance - 134

Ravager with night shield - 115
Ravager with night shield - 115
Ravager with night shield - 115

1748 with the option of taking lance true born squads instead of scourges if you need more AT or even beast packs.

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Last edited by wanderingrogue (2010-10-13 21:20:33)

skcuzzlebumm

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wanderingrogue wrote:
JAMES' super secret one for ETC...

Corrected that one for you

Exodite

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skcuzzlebumm wrote:
wanderingrogue wrote:
JAMES' super secret one for ETC...
Corrected that one for you

Very true though......

wanderingrogue

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wanderingrogue wrote:

THE super secret one for ETC...
Corrected that one for you

fixed again

its not a copy righted you know just cos someone posts it first, so its belongs to ever builds and paints it...... so still james'

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Grotsmeg

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Im seriously looking at ditching nearly all of my old DE army and replacing old with new. but my current DE army was up to 3k in size (at least) so if i get a completely new army then its going to be a mega army.

Might have to start playing 40k again.

Stompzilla

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Grotsmeg wrote:
Might have to start playing 40k again.

Why?! Have you suddenly developed a massive massochistic streak?

I'm tempted to get the book and possibly some models to paint if I'm inspired but it'd take a lot more than a few shinys to get me to go back to that overpriced dick swinging contest of a kid's game.

Grotsmeg

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sometimes its good to do something that requires little brain power, hence why sometimes you can see me playing football. (although increasingly rare )
TBF the way some of us played 4th ed, it was more about rules lawyering and utilising loop holes than just playing the damned game. yes i agree 5th ed is streamlined to the point of almost being too simple, I still like the models and sometimes even monopoly can be fun. (as in an example of a very simple but always popular game.)

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wanderingrogue

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Don't feed the troll hogan :p

on subject, I'm liking the de book, nothing screams cheese to the point you need to take it, and no choice is truely terrible (well maybe decapitator) so lists will be many and varied, a good thing for the game I feel

Stompzilla

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Grotsmeg wrote:
sometimes its good to do something that requires little brain power, hence why sometimes you can see me playing football. (although increasingly rare )
TBF the way some of us played 4th ed, it was more about rules lawyering and utilising loop holes than just playing the damned game. yes i agree 5th ed is streamlined to the point of almost being too simple, I still like the models and sometimes even monopoly can be fun. (as in an example of a very simple but always popular game.)

True enough on both counts. I love a good game of risk, rather than monopoly and the Settlers of Caitan is pretty addictive game too. The difference being risk or monopoly etc don't run you to over £200 for each player. Also, with games like monopoly, risk, Chess etc their long term appeal lies in the fact that the rules are simple but the strategies are engaging, synergetic and sometimes complex. That's what makes a good game.

40K on the other hand has complicated rules but very simple and not especially engaging strategies which makes for a bad game - and an expensive one at that.

Anyhow, I do apologise for my earlier little mini-rant, not enough coffee I think (Although I still stand by every word, sometimes it's better to keep an opinion to yourself - hence the apology).

Each to their own, Another man's poison..., live and let live, c'est la'vie [Insert platitude here] etc, etc

Barney the Lurker

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Hmm, mellowing in your old age Mark?

Grotsmeg

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lol I will add that i also miss playing the 40k guys and beating up on them as only girl (and josh! which is a counts as) can beat me.

Stompzilla

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Barney the Lurker wrote:
Hmm, mellowing in your old age Mark?

Lol, sorry to disappoint Barney.

Now move along, nothing to see here.

Greater Harlequin

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Grotsmeg wrote:
lol I will add that i also miss playing the 40k guys and beating up on them as only girl (and josh! which is a counts as) can beat me.

Aaaaaah .... we miss you too Rich. (Cue scenes of tears and soppy music )

No one else grabs me from behind at tourneys and lifts me off my feet Not without getting a hernia anyway

Grotsmeg

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haha I know you only want to hug my missus you olde god

but maybe next year i might play 40k at botch just for shiggles.

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