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My list was as follows:
Tactical- Chaplain, Rhinos, Razor-Twin Las, Hunter. BTS
Tactical- Librarian
Assault- Chaplain
Devastator- Supreme Commander
Devastator- Librarian
Landspeeder
Terminators- Chaplain
Thunderhawk
Thunderhawk
Landing Craft
On the Squat list, can't really find any glaring faults. It's on a par with an IG list, very tough, very numerous and packing heavy firepower. The style difference is the Squats are slightly more mobile and slightly more armoured, where the IG are less armoured but have more long-range and indirect firepower.
My only concern is you seem to be able to pack in a lot of activations, all of which are highly durable.
I think the Ironsides should pack 3 Autocannons just for ease of dice rolling, rather than several types of slightly different autocannons.
On the Marine front, my god do they suck, Jervis definitely got his revenge on Marines in Specialist Games for their popularity and dominance in the Core Game.
I'm done with them for anything but a very nice display piece, Guard and WAACing all the way.
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Were you using the squat or demiurg list from tac comms? Just wondering as I have a load of squats to do something with. Proxy as siege masters is my firts thougt.
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Hopefully he'll provide more knowledgeable info- I think it was the French Squat list.
It does clear up a few things from the Tac Comms list- for example, the Overlord AA Airship actually having AA.
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Golgothan Squats vs Shadow Scorpions - 5-2-09
ARMY CHOICE
First time with the French Codex, so I decided to field a wide variety, choosing one of every Brotherhood and Support formation (except the Leviathan), a second Grand Battery, topped off with a Colossus and a pair of Overlords to bring some much-needed AA power. Not a spectacular army, but fairly all-round to give a feel of the different units.
BROTHERHOODS
Warrior Brotherhood (225)
+4 Warriors (100)
Living Ancestor (100)
7 Rhinos (70)
Bezerker Brotherhood (200)
Tunnellers (0)
SUPPORT FORMATIONS
Biker Guild (175)
+2 Bikes (50)
7 Trikes (70)
Guildmaster (50)
Robot Cohort (200)
Iron Eagle Squadron (250)
Grand Battery - Thudd Guns (150)
1 Thunderfire AA Gun (50)
Grand Battery - Tarantulas (150)
1 Thunderfire AA Gun (50)
Thunderer Brotherhood (225)
3 Rhinos (30)
WAR ENGINES
2 Overlords (350)
Colossus (500)
TOTAL - 2970 POINTS
DEPLOYMENT
The Scorpions chose to deploy in the quarter filled with lots of ruins, taking advantage of the board's 6" length, and hoping to exploit it with devastating mobile attacks. Most of the army was off-board embarked on the trio of Thunderhawks.
The Golgothans clumped together, with both Grand Batteries on overwatch garrisoning the objectives, making sure their Thunderfires and Overlords covered most of the army with some AA protection.
TURN ONE
The Golgothans win the initiative roll and put the garrisoning Robot Maniple on overwatch, awaiting the inevitable Thunderhawk Assault.
The Scorpions' first activation is a Speeder Squadron (here proxied with Predators), harassing the right flank of my army, laying down casualties and blast markers on the large Warrior Brotherhood. And BAM, they retain the initiative and the first Thunderhawk expertly lands taking some AA from the Overlords but suffering no damage, disembarking two Devastator formations into a clipping assault range to lay down some serious FF hurt, with FF support from the Land Speeders. Nicely set-up assault.
The Warrior Brotherhood lose, (despite getting to re-roll their one), and flee deeper into the bosom of the Squat army. The marines consolidate into base contact with their Thunderhawk to provide them with some cover to endure the inevitable Golgothan counter-attack.
The pair of Overlords float over and rake the formations with autocannon fire. The Golgothans retain, wary they have to neutralise the first Thunderhawk before others arrive, and activate the Colossus to blast apart the tightly-packed formations with its deadly Doomsday Cannon. The Thunderhawk is destroyed, stranding the Marines in the open, and leaving them heavily suppressed.
Electing not to send in a second Thunderhawk, the Scorpions' BTS Tactical formation march along the roads to advance on the Golgothan position without becoming too exposed.
The Golgothans keep up the pressure on the right, and the Iron Eagles double over to unleash autocannon hell. The Thunderers retain and advance up the hill to lend their awesome firepower.
The second Thunderhawk activates, landing on the other flank of the army to pick on the Grand Battery garrisoning my objective. This goes badly wrong when the Golgothan overwatch fire leaves only two Marine stands alive for the subsequent assault. They do, however, wipe out the Thudd Guns and Thunderfire, but are subsequently broken and retreat beyond the range of any Golgothan retaliation to become a minor nuisance in further turns.
Then the Thunderhawk Transporter (really a Marine Landing Craft) lands down on the Golgothan right, launching a desperate bid with Assault and Terminator formations to knock out the Colossus (the BTS) with assault MW attacks.
This goes badly, as the supporting fire from the Iron Eagles, Overlords and Thunderers carve through the Marines, breaking the back of the Scorpion army. From hereon in, the game was pretty much a Golgothan victory, with the hard-hitting Marine airborne formations. It would have gone differently had the third Thunderhawk picked on the left flank rather than throwing themselves away against the rock-hard brunt of the Golgothans' war engines with their wealth of supporting fire.
My Biker Guild double round to lend a hand with their trikes, but fail to cause any casualties despite 7 MW shots.
The he surviving Grand Battery continues its overwatch, and it's the ...
END OF TURN ONE
Some shedding of Blast Markers, and a selection of rallies. I can't remember what, I should make better notes. The large Golgothan Warrior Brotherhood remain broken despite being able to reroll ones.
With the Marine army broken, the Squats mop up, losing no further detachments before getting a 2-0 win at the end of turn 4.
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Good battle report, more detailed than mine.
Describing turns 2-4 in one sentence sums the game up, over on turn 1 bar the screaming.
Glad you skipped the 'Gloat Phase' for the most part, where I'm told to do the opposite of what I did last week.
Not going after the Colossus (which was only DC 4 against 5 3+ Macro and other various other CC 3+) sounds smart, but essentially it leaves the biggest gun, the BTS and much of your army intact to win the game.
Marines can't simultaneously roar into Engagements and stay hidden and isolated from the enemy. They can't simultaneously break and destroy formations in Engagements whilst never going near them, they can't defeat an opposing army by never attacking it.
If the Colossus had been destroyed, and there where good odds it could have been, there'd have been no Supporting Fire, BM's on all surrounding formations and a load of angry Space Marines and Terminators sat amongst them.
With Marines it's that win small or lose big one-shot gamble.
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Nurr.
Roll out your Guard quicker!
On the subject of Squats, I think...
Initial observations from my opponent, observers and myself:
In general
Their special rules really help them rally, and rerolling ones is an elegant mechanic that works within the existing framework of the rules (unlike the Tyranids' spawning mechanic). It also gives them a noticeably different approach to dealing with blast markers unlike Orks with their Nobz, or Marines.
One Squat weakness is no tanks. There's nothing between a Rhino and a Leviathan. They lack heavy-hitting heavy-armoured formation like Russ squadrons, which helps differentiate them from Guard and their ilk.
Warlords and Living Ancestors
Hearthguard take up two slots in a transport. Warlords and Living Ancestors also seem to have the bulky Exo-armour represented by their 4+ reinforced thick rear armour. Should they take up two slots in a transport too?
For this game I assumed they did, and bought an extra Rhino for my Warrior Brotherhood.
Iron Eagles
It's a bit of a faff having both two autocannons and twin autocannons. Howabout giving them just three autocannons?
Thunderfires
50 points for a 10cm 2x AA 6+? Considering you can take so few of them in an army (only one in a Grand Battery, one in a Goliath Battery or trio in a Thunderfire Battery) it means Squats have quite poor AA protection. Especially if you don't want to spend your precious war engine allocation on Overlords.
One classic Squat weakness is air inferiority. They've got no aircraft, and their AA units (Thunderfires and Overlords) are very ponderous without much in the way of firepower. An Ork Flakwagon is cheaper (35/50 points) and more manouverable (35/10cm) than a Thunderfire, while still churning out the same AA firepower. And Orks can field these in most formations, where they can mingle with other units of the same type to make them less vulnerable.
Air Inferiority is part of the army's character - they're a implacable ground assault force. They wouldn't have aircraft on the Home Worlds, and a canny general can compensate for it with clever use of Tunnellers, to Iron Eagles and Biker Guilds. If the Squats fought against an army with no airpower it wouldn't be much different. But I think the Thunderfire stats need revision.
Colossus
I really like the rules for the Iron Hawk not taking blast markers. Good work.
Overall, very impressed. Thanks for sharing.
I look forward to trying the Land Train and Goliaths next time.
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