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Stomp Angels., 3000 POINTS
Codex Astartes (Epic UK v010409)
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STRIKE CRUISER - 200

DEVASTATOR DETACHMENT - 250
4 Devastators, Transport

THUNDERHAWK - 200

TERMINATOR DETACHMENT - 450
4 Terminators
+Supreme Commander

THUNDERHAWK - 200

ASSAULT DETACHMENT - 225
4 Assault Units
+Chaplain

ASSAULT DETACHMENT - 225
4 Assault Units
+Chaplain

LAND SPEEDERS - 200
5x Land Speeder

LAND SPEEDERS - 200
5x Land Speeder

THUNDERBOLT FIGHTERS - 150
2 Fighters

THUNDERBOLT FIGHTERS - 150
2 Fighters

WARHOUND TITAN - 275

WARHOUND TITAN - 275

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All very bog-standard. At 4000 pts:

Stomp Angels., 4000 POINTS
Codex Astartes (Epic UK v010409)
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STRIKE CRUISER - 200

DEVASTATOR DETACHMENT - 250
4 Devastators, Transport

THUNDERHAWK - 200

TERMINATOR DETACHMENT - 450
4 Terminators
+Supreme Commander

THUNDERHAWK - 200

ASSAULT DETACHMENT - 225
4 Assault Units
+Chaplain

ASSAULT DETACHMENT - 225
4 Assault Units
+Chaplain

LANDING CRAFT - 350

TERMINATOR DETACHMENT - 650
4 Terminators
+4x Land Raider

LAND SPEEDERS - 200
5x Land Speeder

LAND SPEEDERS - 200
5x Land Speeder

THUNDERBOLT FIGHTERS - 150
2 Fighters

THUNDERBOLT FIGHTERS - 150
2 Fighters

WARHOUND TITAN - 275

WARHOUND TITAN - 275

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That all seems very straightforward.

Why Stomp Angels if they're not based on the BA or DA lists?

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This is a good list, but if people are going to dock sporting points for taking a Warlock and 2 Void Spinners I wouldnt risk it! There was a phase of a lot of marine lists like this being taken at tournaments which led to flak from Taccoms, actually much of it from E&C!

No Tacticals, 2 TBolts, 2 Warhounds, 2 Speeders, Terminators (at least its only the one formation!). The spaceship is the saving grace (from some people's point of view), the uber list would probably include a third THawk!

Evil and Chaos

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There was a phase of a lot of marine lists like this being taken at tournaments which led to flak from Taccoms, actually much of it from E&C!

No Tacticals...

*shrug*

Tacticals should be 275pts so that they're actually worth taking on their own merits, not just as a bodyguard formation for the SC; It's very encouraging to see them being put to 275pts in the NetEA lists.

You won't see me decying players who take good lists because they want to win, but you will see me ragging on clear internal balance issues that should have been fixed years ago; Hate the game, not the playa'.

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Evil and Chaos wrote:
There was a phase of a lot of marine lists like this being taken at tournaments which led to flak from Taccoms, actually much of it from E&C!

No Tacticals...
*shrug*

Tacticals should be 275pts so that they're actually worth taking on their own merits, not just as a bodyguard formation for the SC; It's very encouraging to see them being put to 275pts in the NetEA lists.

You won't see me decying players who take good lists because they want to win, but you will see me ragging on clear internal balance issues that should have been fixed years ago; Hate the game, not the playa'.

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Agreed, sums it all up nicely!

Jeridian

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Aye, I can't fault the lists Stomp. A bit cut-n-past with 2 of every animal, but I have the same obsession with symmetry (or redundancy of units in other words).

Nothing leaps out as especially different to every other Marine list I've seen, or written. Gotta be some irony that the Marine list is the most flexible and varied in formations choices, yet the most predictable and competitively restricted.

Tacticals at 275pts, I'd still take Dev's. Better Firefight and firepower still beats the Tacticals.
I'd almost argue to put them both at 250pts, or up Dev's to 275pts.

Stompzilla

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Curis wrote:
That all seems very straightforward.

Why Stomp Angels if they're not based on the BA or DA lists?

It just sounded like a good standard space marine chapter name to go with the Stomp prefix. I suppose I could go with:
Sons of Stomp,
Stomp fists,
Retribution of Stomp,
Stomp avengers,
Stomp Lords
[Place suggestions here]
but angels just seemed like the most iconic and seemed to fit the best. TBH I didn't put a lot of thought into it.

Rug wrote:
This is a good list, but if people are going to dock sporting points for taking a Warlock and 2 Void Spinners I wouldnt risk it! There was a phase of a lot of marine lists like this being taken at tournaments which led to flak from Taccoms, actually much of it from E&C!

No Tacticals, 2 TBolts, 2 Warhounds, 2 Speeders, Terminators (at least its only the one formation!). The spaceship is the saving grace (from some people's point of view), the uber list would probably include a third THawk!

Lol, either that or just hope I don't ever play Christian at a tournament that has sporting scores! I'm fairly sure that Christian's previous misconceptions about sporting scores have been put right after the discussions on here. You don't dock sporting scores for dirty armies. It reflects badly on the person getting the points docked and is bad form. As far as I'm concerned, at a tourney, the dirtyer the better which is why I like Tournies. It's a good place to test your metal against hard armies played by the best.

Anywaaaaay... I actually think that the Spaceship is a fairly brutal choice as it gives you a ton of flexibility on how to deploy your troops. I can planetfall Thunderhawks, use drop pods, swap around devestators/ terminators for TH slots given that termies can teleport if I want etc, etc.

It's not very original, true, but I was basing this on what models I have in my BT and Titan lists, so I have another army without having to buy any new models (Except the Thunderbolts which I've been meaning to buy for ages to complete my Titan legion list).

Jeridian wrote:
Nothing leaps out as especially different to every other Marine list I've seen, or written. Gotta be some irony that the Marine list is the most flexible and varied in formations choices, yet the most predictable and competitively restricted.

Tacticals at 275pts, I'd still take Dev's. Better Firefight and firepower still beats the Tacticals.
I'd almost argue to put them both at 250pts, or up Dev's to 275pts.

Very true. I probably wouldn't take tacticals at 275 pts either, although I reckon I would at 250 as a drop pod unit but even then I'd still be tempted to go with devs because they have better upgrade options and more firepower (Although a lower resilience than the tacs).

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Jeridian wrote:
Tacticals at 275pts, I'd still take Dev's. Better Firefight and firepower still beats the Tacticals.
I'd almost argue to put them both at 250pts, or up Dev's to 275pts.

Actually the Tactical formation has a marginally better firefight performance : 3 hits (+3 Rhinos) on average as opposed to 2.66 hits (+2 Rhinos). It has the edge on outnumbering, too (9 units vs 6).

What swings it really is that Devastators fit better in a Thunderhawk Gunship alongside another 4-strong formation, and are a better synergy for Librarians.

That many wouldn't take Tacticals even at 275pts shows that there's zero reason not to reduce their cost that far, IMO.

Rug

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250pts is too cheap IMO, prehaps not how they are currently used but you would see totally new army builds at that price. If you were to spam tacticals you've gone from 10 activations to 12.... or 10 tacs and a "free" Warhound pair! 50pts is an extreme change!

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I agree 250 is too far.

Curis

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Has anyone ever suggested four Tactical stands for 200 points?

commie bob

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would just take speeders or bikes for 200 i think.

Jeridian

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Sacrilige Chris, the SM formations are half-companies. 6 Tactical Squads, 4 Assault, 4 Devs. Split into 3 squads (6 units), and 2 squads (4 units) respectively.

I don't think pts alone will cut it, the Tacticals need to be able to access or do something the Dev's don't. At present Dev's can sit in Thunderhawks, planetfall, ride Rhino's, garrison and have all the upgrades Tacticals do (plus some).

Evil and Chaos

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Sacrilige Chris, the SM formations are half-companies. 6 Tactical Squads, 4 Assault, 4 Devs. Split into 3 squads (6 units), and 2 squads (4 units) respectively.

You'd still be able to take a Battle Company.

Instead of 2x Tactical, 1x Assault, 1x Devatstator, you'd take 3x Tactical, 1x Assault, 1x Devastator.

I don't think pts alone will cut it, the Tacticals need to be able to access or do something the Dev's don't. At present Dev's can sit in Thunderhawks, planetfall, ride Rhino's, garrison and have all the upgrades Tacticals do (plus some).

Tacticals have resilience on the ground, greater numbers, better Firefight (Per formation, rather than per unit), the flexibility to be equally good at FF & CC, and are cheaper on a per-unit basis.

They're not better in the air due to synergy concerns, but on the ground they wouldn't be bad.

hello_dave

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Plus the smaller Tacc formations would offer the option of more hunters I guess - helping the marines do something other than air assault.

Rug

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Tac formations are tough, hard to shift, far more so than Devs. They are the biggest formation available to marines, reducing them to only 4 stands would make them into either an inferior air assault filler or a way to get upgrades cheaply (as Dave points out) neither of which are all that appealing IMO!

275pts will do it. If players still need an incentive you could always give them access to LRs or even Preds.... but I don't think they're needed

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Tacticals in LRCs are ace it has to be said.

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